Sunday, May 15, 2005
Illegal Immigration
the mexican / u.s. immigration saga is a two way street. much of this post is a compilation of notes written by me to a friend.
mexico needs the cash inflow from its citizens working up in 'gringo' land to be sent back home.
what is the dollar value of money sent from illegal workers to their families?
got to be in the billions i presume annually.......
states needs cheap supply of labor, and allow me to point out this labor consist of not only farm labor but many jobs in small to medium sized factories such as stone fabrication facilities. there a good worker of illegal means can still earn from $ 15.00 to $20.00 an hour if they are trained and provide their shop with good production..........
the 'illegals' know enough to be aware that if they are not paid well for their work that they can go to a competitor down the block.
simple fact is that u.s. companies small and medium sized can get better production and a lower cost of labor using the illegals. simply put there is profit on both sides of this equation for the americans and mexicans (and other illegals).......
it is not only a question about money but just as importantly how the money is made. production from the illegals is almost twice that in terms of real work done than compared to almost anyone else any agricultural companies can find who is a 'citizen' and doesn't feel the need to work quite as hard.......
same goes for factory production when comparing trained 'illegals' to that of trained and often soon to become disgruntled 'citizens' who will fight for a couple of more coffee breaks and manage to blow another hour during the day in conversation.......instead of really working.
same goes for construction crews who are hired and run by the medium and small companies compared to union guys who manage to work in a cohesive unit on the slow....
mind you i am not making light of the american workers, i am making light of 'citizen' workers around the globe compared to those who feel like their job is a need and salvation instead of somewhere to hang out and collect a pay check the end of the week.
let me point out that i would hire a palestinian over an israeli as an example in a split second for any job that was labor intensive for the same reason........it is a cold hard fact around the world that we in the 'first world & emerging markets' have for the most part become spoiled and would rather let someone else toil for us instead of getting our own hands dirty.
while i will agree 100% that the states needs to protect it national security, it should be pointed out that a terrorist could just as easily come from within and be a citizen or holding a green card or merely a valid visa. big borders create big headaches but i suspect if it is a question about which is going to win a battle in terms of importance - the economy will win over issues of security in this particular venue..........
things could change as we know, another day of 'where were you when such and such happened?' is all it will take.
but until that wretched day or until massive unemployment hits, the jobs being filled by the 'illegals' are ones the 'citizens' simply do not want, nor can the 'citizens' function properly within them.
what is the unemployment rate in the states right now? around 5-5.5 % - is that correct?
since when are all 'citizens' entitled to not only employment but superior job satisfaction as well......my point, most americans would not accept the jobs that illegals are taking if they were expected to produce at the same rate as the 'illegals'.
as for it being a question of capital investment over cheap labor i am not sure i agree.
my thinking is that there is no way to substitute cheap labor and high production particularly in the small to medium construction companies that are involved in much of the building industry through out the states. any time you can hire a crew of five guys and get the day over at a costs of less than $900 - $ 800 dollars a day you are doing pretty well compared to companies that are bound to use union employees or 'citizens'. this because the union employees will cost almost triple that amount of money and because the 'citizens' even though being paid almost the same will produce at a rate that is almost half - thus double time/ costs.
as for capital investment it is always needed......but if i understand the usage correctly capital investment goes towards machines and technology as much as it does towards training of employees.
construction industry imo spends a great deal of money on its tools, machines, and training of individuals - including 'illegals' this because you never want to see a good employee walk out the door and work for a competitor.
as for the idea of LEGAL immigration, it is a good idea and one that could be tried. but a rather politically Incorrect question comes up, why isn't it tried? is it possible ( i really am asking - not simply being rhetorical ) that the states doesn't want to open its doors completely because if fears the 'browning' of america? this because most of the immigrants would come from latin america at this time....
mexico needs the cash inflow from its citizens working up in 'gringo' land to be sent back home.
what is the dollar value of money sent from illegal workers to their families?
got to be in the billions i presume annually.......
states needs cheap supply of labor, and allow me to point out this labor consist of not only farm labor but many jobs in small to medium sized factories such as stone fabrication facilities. there a good worker of illegal means can still earn from $ 15.00 to $20.00 an hour if they are trained and provide their shop with good production..........
the 'illegals' know enough to be aware that if they are not paid well for their work that they can go to a competitor down the block.
simple fact is that u.s. companies small and medium sized can get better production and a lower cost of labor using the illegals. simply put there is profit on both sides of this equation for the americans and mexicans (and other illegals).......
it is not only a question about money but just as importantly how the money is made. production from the illegals is almost twice that in terms of real work done than compared to almost anyone else any agricultural companies can find who is a 'citizen' and doesn't feel the need to work quite as hard.......
same goes for factory production when comparing trained 'illegals' to that of trained and often soon to become disgruntled 'citizens' who will fight for a couple of more coffee breaks and manage to blow another hour during the day in conversation.......instead of really working.
same goes for construction crews who are hired and run by the medium and small companies compared to union guys who manage to work in a cohesive unit on the slow....
mind you i am not making light of the american workers, i am making light of 'citizen' workers around the globe compared to those who feel like their job is a need and salvation instead of somewhere to hang out and collect a pay check the end of the week.
let me point out that i would hire a palestinian over an israeli as an example in a split second for any job that was labor intensive for the same reason........it is a cold hard fact around the world that we in the 'first world & emerging markets' have for the most part become spoiled and would rather let someone else toil for us instead of getting our own hands dirty.
while i will agree 100% that the states needs to protect it national security, it should be pointed out that a terrorist could just as easily come from within and be a citizen or holding a green card or merely a valid visa. big borders create big headaches but i suspect if it is a question about which is going to win a battle in terms of importance - the economy will win over issues of security in this particular venue..........
things could change as we know, another day of 'where were you when such and such happened?' is all it will take.
but until that wretched day or until massive unemployment hits, the jobs being filled by the 'illegals' are ones the 'citizens' simply do not want, nor can the 'citizens' function properly within them.
what is the unemployment rate in the states right now? around 5-5.5 % - is that correct?
since when are all 'citizens' entitled to not only employment but superior job satisfaction as well......my point, most americans would not accept the jobs that illegals are taking if they were expected to produce at the same rate as the 'illegals'.
as for it being a question of capital investment over cheap labor i am not sure i agree.
my thinking is that there is no way to substitute cheap labor and high production particularly in the small to medium construction companies that are involved in much of the building industry through out the states. any time you can hire a crew of five guys and get the day over at a costs of less than $900 - $ 800 dollars a day you are doing pretty well compared to companies that are bound to use union employees or 'citizens'. this because the union employees will cost almost triple that amount of money and because the 'citizens' even though being paid almost the same will produce at a rate that is almost half - thus double time/ costs.
as for capital investment it is always needed......but if i understand the usage correctly capital investment goes towards machines and technology as much as it does towards training of employees.
construction industry imo spends a great deal of money on its tools, machines, and training of individuals - including 'illegals' this because you never want to see a good employee walk out the door and work for a competitor.
as for the idea of LEGAL immigration, it is a good idea and one that could be tried. but a rather politically Incorrect question comes up, why isn't it tried? is it possible ( i really am asking - not simply being rhetorical ) that the states doesn't want to open its doors completely because if fears the 'browning' of america? this because most of the immigrants would come from latin america at this time....
// posted by Zevchi @ 9:52 AM 
